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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8601</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t blame Trujillo for acting in the interests of his shareholders - that&#039;s his job, and that it is at consumers&#039; expense is neither here nor there. What he should be sacked for is poor tactics.  Trying to publicly bully a government whose regulations are the main source of your shareholders&#039; value is folly. It was after all an American who said &quot;speak softly and carry a big stick&quot;.

I&#039;ve no time for the ultra-conservative know-nothings Howard had as comms ministers, but it&#039;s unfair not to note that it was the Keating government that had the best opportunity to do a structural separation and more of the current difficulties have arisen from that failure than from the privatisation.  Keating wanted to do it but got rolled by Beazley and the union lobby.

As for those nostalgic for a nationalised vertically-integrated telco monopoly, you must be joking.  The old PMG/Telecom was famous for its hostility to customers and its change-averse bureaucracy. It could take months to get a new phone line, it ruthlessly used regulation to suppress any hint of competition (eg the only legal handsets in Australia were Telecom ones), it had tremendously opaque pricing and it was a vehicle for blatant pork-barrelling by the pollies. Government telco monopolies around the world have a dreadful record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t blame Trujillo for acting in the interests of his shareholders &#8211; that&#8217;s his job, and that it is at consumers&#8217; expense is neither here nor there. What he should be sacked for is poor tactics.  Trying to publicly bully a government whose regulations are the main source of your shareholders&#8217; value is folly. It was after all an American who said &#8220;speak softly and carry a big stick&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no time for the ultra-conservative know-nothings Howard had as comms ministers, but it&#8217;s unfair not to note that it was the Keating government that had the best opportunity to do a structural separation and more of the current difficulties have arisen from that failure than from the privatisation.  Keating wanted to do it but got rolled by Beazley and the union lobby.</p>
<p>As for those nostalgic for a nationalised vertically-integrated telco monopoly, you must be joking.  The old PMG/Telecom was famous for its hostility to customers and its change-averse bureaucracy. It could take months to get a new phone line, it ruthlessly used regulation to suppress any hint of competition (eg the only legal handsets in Australia were Telecom ones), it had tremendously opaque pricing and it was a vehicle for blatant pork-barrelling by the pollies. Government telco monopolies around the world have a dreadful record.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on @ 107,

Though they have said that they will retain government ownership of the &#039;poles &amp; wires&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on @ 107,</p>
<p>Though they have said that they will retain government ownership of the &#8216;poles &amp; wires&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8568</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on @ 107,

Though they have said that they will retain government ownership of the &#039;poles &amp; wires&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on @ 107,</p>
<p>Though they have said that they will retain government ownership of the &#8216;poles &amp; wires&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8555</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poss,

I think you can take this article, put it in a drawer for a couple of years (3-5), Pull it out, Replace Telstra with Electricity, Sol with another name and you&#039;ll have a pretty good summary of the NSW electricity.

Iemma is trying his best to make sure the Liberals cant use the Wall to Wall Labor governments argument at the next federal election by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/10/2114471.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Selling off the electricity generation and retail assets &lt;/a&gt;.

Might send him a letter begging him to get rid of the Snowy too, hoping reverse psychology might work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poss,</p>
<p>I think you can take this article, put it in a drawer for a couple of years (3-5), Pull it out, Replace Telstra with Electricity, Sol with another name and you&#8217;ll have a pretty good summary of the NSW electricity.</p>
<p>Iemma is trying his best to make sure the Liberals cant use the Wall to Wall Labor governments argument at the next federal election by <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/10/2114471.htm" rel="nofollow"> Selling off the electricity generation and retail assets </a>.</p>
<p>Might send him a letter begging him to get rid of the Snowy too, hoping reverse psychology might work.</p>
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		<title>By: More Fibre, More Nodes</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator>More Fibre, More Nodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a method of splitting Telstra which a number of financial analysts have identified which may lead to a greater amount of value being released (ie. two halves worth more than the whole).

Telstra becomes two companies - the regulated and unregulated and every shareholder gets a share in each - independantly tradeable.   (By unregulated I mean not subject to the current special licence conditions that are part of their carrier license, issued BEFORE they were privatised - hence all shareholders are aware of).

The regulated company has the assets that require regulation - pit and pipe, exchange builds, copper local loop, some regional fibre assets - maybe not even voice switching.   This company is allowed to make a regulated return, let&#039;s say 10-12%.   It would suit a specific kind of investor looking for nice, regulated, guaranteed returns from all players equally (including the unregulated company).

The unregulated company gets all the rest.  It can do whatever it wants but is required to buy from the regulated company all things that the regulated company does.  It&#039;s freewheeling style suits another kind of investor.

This may mean that, because no one is worse off (and potentially they&#039;re better off by being able to more closely select their asset risk class) no compensation has to be offered (and any that does need to can be delayed).

This means that the regulated company can then get on with building FTTN or FTTH without us worrying about what happens with the vertically integrated whole remonopolising the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a method of splitting Telstra which a number of financial analysts have identified which may lead to a greater amount of value being released (ie. two halves worth more than the whole).</p>
<p>Telstra becomes two companies &#8211; the regulated and unregulated and every shareholder gets a share in each &#8211; independantly tradeable.   (By unregulated I mean not subject to the current special licence conditions that are part of their carrier license, issued BEFORE they were privatised &#8211; hence all shareholders are aware of).</p>
<p>The regulated company has the assets that require regulation &#8211; pit and pipe, exchange builds, copper local loop, some regional fibre assets &#8211; maybe not even voice switching.   This company is allowed to make a regulated return, let&#8217;s say 10-12%.   It would suit a specific kind of investor looking for nice, regulated, guaranteed returns from all players equally (including the unregulated company).</p>
<p>The unregulated company gets all the rest.  It can do whatever it wants but is required to buy from the regulated company all things that the regulated company does.  It&#8217;s freewheeling style suits another kind of investor.</p>
<p>This may mean that, because no one is worse off (and potentially they&#8217;re better off by being able to more closely select their asset risk class) no compensation has to be offered (and any that does need to can be delayed).</p>
<p>This means that the regulated company can then get on with building FTTN or FTTH without us worrying about what happens with the vertically integrated whole remonopolising the market.</p>
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		<title>By: CL de Footscray</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8535</link>
		<dc:creator>CL de Footscray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you RA. The sooner they split the bloody thing up the better. It&#039;s in the national interest for us to have a common carrier of data and communications generally, and if they get a fair price, surely the board is not dudding the shareholders. I assume that even our ridiculous corporation law won&#039;t let them claim the benefits of monopoly rents as constituting a &#039;fair price&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you RA. The sooner they split the bloody thing up the better. It&#8217;s in the national interest for us to have a common carrier of data and communications generally, and if they get a fair price, surely the board is not dudding the shareholders. I assume that even our ridiculous corporation law won&#8217;t let them claim the benefits of monopoly rents as constituting a &#8216;fair price&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: caf</title>
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		<dc:creator>caf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would only be in the shareholders interests if the price was greater than the return they could expect to make by keeping the asset, or the company needed the capital to invest in a higher return generating business.  The board would likely need to commission independent consultants to value the asset - probable more than one - in order to avoid certain legal trouble.  Not to mention that any government-appointed directors would be expected to abstain from voting on the issue, as it would be a related-party transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would only be in the shareholders interests if the price was greater than the return they could expect to make by keeping the asset, or the company needed the capital to invest in a higher return generating business.  The board would likely need to commission independent consultants to value the asset &#8211; probable more than one &#8211; in order to avoid certain legal trouble.  Not to mention that any government-appointed directors would be expected to abstain from voting on the issue, as it would be a related-party transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Rates Analyst</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/the-telstra-problem/#comment-8533</link>
		<dc:creator>Rates Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caf

Yes - but if the Government took a majority stake, they could then force Telstra to sell at a fair price - rather than the blackmail price that Sol would likely insist on.

I am not proposing the board &lt;b&gt;give&lt;/b&gt; the infrastructure back to the Government - merely that they sell it at a price approaching the sane value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caf</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; but if the Government took a majority stake, they could then force Telstra to sell at a fair price &#8211; rather than the blackmail price that Sol would likely insist on.</p>
<p>I am not proposing the board <b>give</b> the infrastructure back to the Government &#8211; merely that they sell it at a price approaching the sane value.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Cammack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Adam, AARNET was on its knees in 1995, unwilling and unable to cope with the expansion associated with rapidly increasing commercial use of the national internet backbone. The AVCC sensibly decided to sell it to Telstra, who put a lot of much needed investment into the network and embarked on a crash program to upgrade national and international capacity, upgrade nodes etc. The universities didn&#039;t have enough money and expertise to do the job. The result was a national &quot;wholesale&quot; network, not to be confused with the BigPond retail ISP business, which along with other ISPs, companies and government agencies was an end user.   

Universities&#039; record of involvement with anything required to operate at a profit isn&#039;t encouraging. And you need profits to fund future capital investment, quite apart from providing a return to those who put up the original money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Adam, AARNET was on its knees in 1995, unwilling and unable to cope with the expansion associated with rapidly increasing commercial use of the national internet backbone. The AVCC sensibly decided to sell it to Telstra, who put a lot of much needed investment into the network and embarked on a crash program to upgrade national and international capacity, upgrade nodes etc. The universities didn&#8217;t have enough money and expertise to do the job. The result was a national &#8220;wholesale&#8221; network, not to be confused with the BigPond retail ISP business, which along with other ISPs, companies and government agencies was an end user.   </p>
<p>Universities&#8217; record of involvement with anything required to operate at a profit isn&#8217;t encouraging. And you need profits to fund future capital investment, quite apart from providing a return to those who put up the original money.</p>
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		<title>By: caf</title>
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		<dc:creator>caf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and here&#039;s another one of Possum&#039;s predicted economic floaters left in the national dunny: The privatisation of airports, leaving them as private fiefdoms forever exempt from any local planning laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and here&#8217;s another one of Possum&#8217;s predicted economic floaters left in the national dunny: The privatisation of airports, leaving them as private fiefdoms forever exempt from any local planning laws.</p>
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