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		<title>By: andry</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/yesterday-an-extraordinary-thing-happened/#comment-13294</link>
		<dc:creator>andry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gZPe07 comment3 ,</description>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/yesterday-an-extraordinary-thing-happened/#comment-9962</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Possum Comitatus with perhaps the best Sorry Day reflective piece I&#8217;ve (KP) read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Possum Comitatus with perhaps the best Sorry Day reflective piece I&#8217;ve (KP) read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/yesterday-an-extraordinary-thing-happened/#comment-9950</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decimal Nelson&#039;s 9% in today&#039;s poll reminded me of Billy Crystal&#039;s Miracle Man character in the Princess Bride. 
&quot;Will he survive?&quot; 
&quot;It&#039;d take a miracle.&quot;

Personally though I think the poll was good news for Decimal. If 70% preferred Mr O&#039;Seven and 21% were undecided Decimal has the chance to build to 30%. Or of course to fall off the chart entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decimal Nelson&#8217;s 9% in today&#8217;s poll reminded me of Billy Crystal&#8217;s Miracle Man character in the Princess Bride.<br />
&#8220;Will he survive?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;d take a miracle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally though I think the poll was good news for Decimal. If 70% preferred Mr O&#8217;Seven and 21% were undecided Decimal has the chance to build to 30%. Or of course to fall off the chart entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Marktwain</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/yesterday-an-extraordinary-thing-happened/#comment-9947</link>
		<dc:creator>Marktwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think you were too hard on the camels, Poss.</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with Ningaui that Nelson relating details of a case of abuse perpetrated by an Aboriginal man was shamefully inappropriate, he lost me a few minutes earlier with this gem:

&quot;There is no compensation fund, nor should there be. How can any sum of money replace a life deprived of knowing your family? Separation was then, and remains today, a painful but necessary part of public policy in the protection of children. Our restitution for this lies in our determination to address today&#039;s injustices, learning from what was done and healing those who suffered.&quot;

Apart from the ingenuous refusal to understand the principle of compensation (which never replaces what was lost), saying that we need to learn from what was done only one sentence after saying separations were necessary just floored me. Of course separations based on child protection principles are justified, then and now. But what a dog whistle to suggest that that&#039;s what last Wednesday was in any way about. Shame. Shame. Shame.

What a tiny man Nelson revealed himself to be: cowardly in every dimension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with Ningaui that Nelson relating details of a case of abuse perpetrated by an Aboriginal man was shamefully inappropriate, he lost me a few minutes earlier with this gem:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no compensation fund, nor should there be. How can any sum of money replace a life deprived of knowing your family? Separation was then, and remains today, a painful but necessary part of public policy in the protection of children. Our restitution for this lies in our determination to address today&#8217;s injustices, learning from what was done and healing those who suffered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apart from the ingenuous refusal to understand the principle of compensation (which never replaces what was lost), saying that we need to learn from what was done only one sentence after saying separations were necessary just floored me. Of course separations based on child protection principles are justified, then and now. But what a dog whistle to suggest that that&#8217;s what last Wednesday was in any way about. Shame. Shame. Shame.</p>
<p>What a tiny man Nelson revealed himself to be: cowardly in every dimension.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm ... Good item, Possum. Kevin Rudd might be the one keeping Dr Nelson afloat at the moment. Maybe Rudd feels he will always have Nelson&#039;s measure, so is happy to see him stay on? Whatever, I am of the view that Nelson may not end up being the caretaker leader most of the press and commentators believe him to be. Fuller explanation here: http://tasmanianpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-brendan-nelson-really-stinker.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm &#8230; Good item, Possum. Kevin Rudd might be the one keeping Dr Nelson afloat at the moment. Maybe Rudd feels he will always have Nelson&#8217;s measure, so is happy to see him stay on? Whatever, I am of the view that Nelson may not end up being the caretaker leader most of the press and commentators believe him to be. Fuller explanation here: <a href="http://tasmanianpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-brendan-nelson-really-stinker.html" rel="nofollow">http://tasmanianpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-brendan-nelson-really-stinker.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MOST cabinet ministers in the former Howard government did not realise that workers could be worse off under Work Choices, former workplace relations minister Joe Hockey says.&quot;
[From AA&#039;s first link at #32 above]
What arrant self-serving nonsense [there is a less polite but more accurate word which I shall avoid].
Obviously in their post election efforts to scapegoat Howard and excuse themselves and continue to avoid the real reasons for their failure, the Libs are preferring to go down the &quot;We are stupid, ignorant and incompetent&#039; line rather than admit they deliberately set out to screw the workers.
I don&#039;t expect much honesty in the 4 Corners programme to be shown tonight, at least not from the Libs..
Still I&#039;ll be watching it in the hopes it will be good theatre.
It should be amusing to see the &#039;team&#039; in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MOST cabinet ministers in the former Howard government did not realise that workers could be worse off under Work Choices, former workplace relations minister Joe Hockey says.&#8221;<br />
[From AA's first link at #32 above]<br />
What arrant self-serving nonsense [there is a less polite but more accurate word which I shall avoid].<br />
Obviously in their post election efforts to scapegoat Howard and excuse themselves and continue to avoid the real reasons for their failure, the Libs are preferring to go down the &#8220;We are stupid, ignorant and incompetent&#8217; line rather than admit they deliberately set out to screw the workers.<br />
I don&#8217;t expect much honesty in the 4 Corners programme to be shown tonight, at least not from the Libs..<br />
Still I&#8217;ll be watching it in the hopes it will be good theatre.<br />
It should be amusing to see the &#8216;team&#8217; in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t see how having no disagreements in public helps anyone. If Nelson disagrees with the Prime Minister, it is his duty to make it public: he is the Opposition Leader. Just like the Democratic Labor Party were (supposedly) not Democratic, not Labor, and not a party, if Nelson kept his misgivings to himself he would not be in Opposition, and would certainly not be leading.

Regardless of the actual debate about any issue, the Australian people, through accepted Democratic process, elected the Rudd Government to govern. It is the Opposition&#039;s job to monitor, scrutinise, and where it deems appropriate, criticise the program put forward by the government.

If, in this particular policy area, the people in question, the Aboriginal people of this country, simply cannot be helped if there is any hint of dissent within parliament, then I would venture that they are beyond helping. You are allowed to disagree with someone in this country, and it is the job of the opposition to voice this disagreement publicly.

I would venture what Rudd is doing is mere politics, which is fine, but not being called what it is. Drainers make drains, politicians make politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t see how having no disagreements in public helps anyone. If Nelson disagrees with the Prime Minister, it is his duty to make it public: he is the Opposition Leader. Just like the Democratic Labor Party were (supposedly) not Democratic, not Labor, and not a party, if Nelson kept his misgivings to himself he would not be in Opposition, and would certainly not be leading.</p>
<p>Regardless of the actual debate about any issue, the Australian people, through accepted Democratic process, elected the Rudd Government to govern. It is the Opposition&#8217;s job to monitor, scrutinise, and where it deems appropriate, criticise the program put forward by the government.</p>
<p>If, in this particular policy area, the people in question, the Aboriginal people of this country, simply cannot be helped if there is any hint of dissent within parliament, then I would venture that they are beyond helping. You are allowed to disagree with someone in this country, and it is the job of the opposition to voice this disagreement publicly.</p>
<p>I would venture what Rudd is doing is mere politics, which is fine, but not being called what it is. Drainers make drains, politicians make politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231263-2,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this &lt;/a&gt; article goes into a bit more depth. Information will also be covered on 4 corners to be screened tonight 18th Feb.

and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231191-421,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this &lt;/a&gt; where &quot;Senior Libs&quot;  say they should have forced howard to quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231263-2,00.html" rel="nofollow"> this </a> article goes into a bit more depth. Information will also be covered on 4 corners to be screened tonight 18th Feb.</p>
<p>and <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231191-421,00.html" rel="nofollow"> this </a> where &#8220;Senior Libs&#8221;  say they should have forced howard to quit.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the opposition are atleast sorry un some areas.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231319-2,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; could only have happened with the Coalition in opposition.

The former minister for workplace relations now saying 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
And former employment minister Joe Hockey says most members of the Howard cabinet were unaware of how the original Work Choices legislation allowed workers to lose conditions without compensation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is why i dont like the voting on party lines thingy, John/Kevin/Brendan says do this. 

and 
&lt;blockquote&gt;

The former ministers also say the Coalition should have signed the Kyoto Protocol years before last year&#039;s election – although it was unclear whether they supported former environment minister Malcolm Turnbull&#039;s failed cabinet recommendation of last year.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the opposition are atleast sorry un some areas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23231319-2,00.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> could only have happened with the Coalition in opposition.</p>
<p>The former minister for workplace relations now saying </p>
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And former employment minister Joe Hockey says most members of the Howard cabinet were unaware of how the original Work Choices legislation allowed workers to lose conditions without compensation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This is why i dont like the voting on party lines thingy, John/Kevin/Brendan says do this. </p>
<p>and </p>
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<p>The former ministers also say the Coalition should have signed the Kyoto Protocol years before last year&#8217;s election – although it was unclear whether they supported former environment minister Malcolm Turnbull&#8217;s failed cabinet recommendation of last year.
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