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		<title>By: of</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/a-quick-addition-to-housing-affordability/#comment-11860</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Possum Comitatus</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/a-quick-addition-to-housing-affordability/#comment-10591</link>
		<dc:creator>Possum Comitatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andrew on clearing up the games behind the ToR, and good luck with producing something constructive out of the mess. It&#039;s not hard to see where it&#039;s all leading though - with the Coalition Senators blaming housing affordability declines on the States over land release and stamp duty, the ALP using the process as a justification for their own relatively small affordability program as if it were some panacea, with the whole thing generally descending into a bit of a farce.

I do find it a little disturbing though that one of the key benefits would be to educate some of the Senators involved - especially considering that this isnt a new issue, the evidence is everywhere and where the quickest of briefs by the parliamentary library would disabuse them of any ignorance relatively quickly.

But I do hope that something worthwhile is produced - and more power to you in that regard . We&#039;ll certainly run through the reports when they come out and pick them apart mercilessly.

Sean - nope, I&#039;m no relation of Nick Possum and I added your links into the bottom of the policy bits post.

Thanks steve for the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andrew on clearing up the games behind the ToR, and good luck with producing something constructive out of the mess. It&#8217;s not hard to see where it&#8217;s all leading though &#8211; with the Coalition Senators blaming housing affordability declines on the States over land release and stamp duty, the ALP using the process as a justification for their own relatively small affordability program as if it were some panacea, with the whole thing generally descending into a bit of a farce.</p>
<p>I do find it a little disturbing though that one of the key benefits would be to educate some of the Senators involved &#8211; especially considering that this isnt a new issue, the evidence is everywhere and where the quickest of briefs by the parliamentary library would disabuse them of any ignorance relatively quickly.</p>
<p>But I do hope that something worthwhile is produced &#8211; and more power to you in that regard . We&#8217;ll certainly run through the reports when they come out and pick them apart mercilessly.</p>
<p>Sean &#8211; nope, I&#8217;m no relation of Nick Possum and I added your links into the bottom of the policy bits post.</p>
<p>Thanks steve for the links.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though there was a regime overthrown last November the coalition is still up to its old tricksy ways with terms of reference that deal with less than half the issues.   Then again, renters have always been a lower form of life to the coalition.   Would someone please knock on coalition parliamentary doors and ask if they&#039;ve noticed anything different about their accommodation lately?  What a pity Senator Payne has been set up to do this dirty work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though there was a regime overthrown last November the coalition is still up to its old tricksy ways with terms of reference that deal with less than half the issues.   Then again, renters have always been a lower form of life to the coalition.   Would someone please knock on coalition parliamentary doors and ask if they&#8217;ve noticed anything different about their accommodation lately?  What a pity Senator Payne has been set up to do this dirty work.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ASIC report into mortgage entry and exit fees is here.

http://www.treasurer.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2008/018.htm&amp;pageID=003&amp;min=wms&amp;Year=&amp;DocType=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ASIC report into mortgage entry and exit fees is here.</p>
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		<title>By: swio</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/a-quick-addition-to-housing-affordability/#comment-10584</link>
		<dc:creator>swio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graph 8 on that RBA paper sums up what happened. Interest rates dropped significantly in 1996 and the dwelling price to income ratio starts a very steady climb at exactly the same time. Its notable how little the RBA paper talks about the link between interest rates and house prices. To a non-economist like me it almost looks like the RBA is trying to exonerate itself of any blame for current housing prices by providing alternative explainations that are not related to interest rates being too low.

Can someone explain this to me as I have never found a decent explaination. Why is the housing component of the CPI calculated using owner&#039;s equivalent rent rather than actual house prices? To me it seems so straight forward that if CPI was calculated using actual house prices then the housing bubble would have fed straight back into increased inflation which would have caused the RBA to raise interest rates which would have at least alleviated the housing bubble. When we had one of the biggest housing bubbles in the world why didn&#039;t the Reserve act to do something about it when it would have been so easy for it to do so? Why didn&#039;t it raise interest rates in response to the housing bubble? I just don&#039;t get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graph 8 on that RBA paper sums up what happened. Interest rates dropped significantly in 1996 and the dwelling price to income ratio starts a very steady climb at exactly the same time. Its notable how little the RBA paper talks about the link between interest rates and house prices. To a non-economist like me it almost looks like the RBA is trying to exonerate itself of any blame for current housing prices by providing alternative explainations that are not related to interest rates being too low.</p>
<p>Can someone explain this to me as I have never found a decent explaination. Why is the housing component of the CPI calculated using owner&#8217;s equivalent rent rather than actual house prices? To me it seems so straight forward that if CPI was calculated using actual house prices then the housing bubble would have fed straight back into increased inflation which would have caused the RBA to raise interest rates which would have at least alleviated the housing bubble. When we had one of the biggest housing bubbles in the world why didn&#8217;t the Reserve act to do something about it when it would have been so easy for it to do so? Why didn&#8217;t it raise interest rates in response to the housing bubble? I just don&#8217;t get that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>errata - &quot;excess of politicians&quot; should read &quot;excess of population&quot;.  Freudian nightwear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>errata &#8211; &#8220;excess of politicians&#8221; should read &#8220;excess of population&#8221;.  Freudian nightwear?</p>
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		<title>By: David Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Lib Senators didn&#039;t want to open the smelly can of dead worms containing negative gearing, capital gains tax reductions et al as outlined by Possum as the cause of the crisis from 2000 to present?

Also, the long since abandoned decentralisation and building up of regional centres that has seen the congealing blood clot choking the capital cities with an excess of politicians, while regional and rural areas haemorrhage hemophiliacally.

Eight years of total stupidity by the previous government, coupled with the previously mentioned abandonment of the Whitlam era regional development plans.  The current poo was inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Lib Senators didn&#8217;t want to open the smelly can of dead worms containing negative gearing, capital gains tax reductions et al as outlined by Possum as the cause of the crisis from 2000 to present?</p>
<p>Also, the long since abandoned decentralisation and building up of regional centres that has seen the congealing blood clot choking the capital cities with an excess of politicians, while regional and rural areas haemorrhage hemophiliacally.</p>
<p>Eight years of total stupidity by the previous government, coupled with the previously mentioned abandonment of the Whitlam era regional development plans.  The current poo was inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Possum and Readers,

Please feel free to wander over to the Australian forum of the &#039;Global Housing Price Crash&#039; website at any time, to look at news and views, at the somewhat cryptic address of http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showforum=9.

I hope there might be some useful cross-fertilisation of opinions and data from here, creating a critical mass of interested participants, as more and more thinking people in the community consider the ramifications of the global housing price booms that have taken place in the last decade -- and increasingly put pressure on politicians and bring the whole sorry mismanaged economic affair to light.

Can you consider linking to the forum as a kind of web &#039;ring&#039; also.

Cheers,
Sean Reynolds
http://www.housingaffordability.blogspot.com

P.S. Are you any relative of Private Eye Nick Possum of Sydney City Hub fame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Possum and Readers,</p>
<p>Please feel free to wander over to the Australian forum of the &#8216;Global Housing Price Crash&#8217; website at any time, to look at news and views, at the somewhat cryptic address of <a href="http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showforum=9" rel="nofollow">http://forum.globalhousepricecrash.com/index.php?showforum=9</a>.</p>
<p>I hope there might be some useful cross-fertilisation of opinions and data from here, creating a critical mass of interested participants, as more and more thinking people in the community consider the ramifications of the global housing price booms that have taken place in the last decade &#8212; and increasingly put pressure on politicians and bring the whole sorry mismanaged economic affair to light.</p>
<p>Can you consider linking to the forum as a kind of web &#8216;ring&#8217; also.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Sean Reynolds<br />
<a href="http://www.housingaffordability.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.housingaffordability.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>P.S. Are you any relative of Private Eye Nick Possum of Sydney City Hub fame?</p>
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		<title>By: Housing Inquiry - Campbelltown to Karratha &#187; The Bartlett Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Housing Inquiry - Campbelltown to Karratha &#187; The Bartlett Diaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some online discussion on some policy specifics might want to visit Possum Pollytics, which has a few posts on the topic. One of those pointed to a recent easy to read and fairly short speech on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some online discussion on some policy specifics might want to visit Possum Pollytics, which has a few posts on the topic. One of those pointed to a recent easy to read and fairly short speech on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 Tanners - anyone can put in a written submission. I can forward things from other people, but its a bit better for them to come direct - it prevents anyone wrongly assuming I specifically endorse what I&#039;m forwarding (or that they endorse me for that matter).  

This link - http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/index.htm - tells you all you need to know. (the date for submissions has technically closed, but they will almost always accept late submissions for some time yet).

Apart from being available for all the Committee members (and the Secretariat staff, who unlike all the Senators can be relied on to read it), submissions also go online, so anyone else can read them too - all the submissions so far &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/submissions/sublist.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are here&lt;/a&gt;, and transcripts of hearings appear within a few days &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/hearings/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at this link&lt;/a&gt; - there is good value material amongst it (like everyhting, you have to wade through some dross along the way - bit like a blog really).

harmless cud chewer: As noted, the terms of reference are not as complete as they could be. Part of why I don&#039;t always get too fussed over terms of reference is that you can never put everything in, and even if you try, if the people with the numbers on the Committee have a pre-determined view, they&#039;ll still come to it anyway. At the end of it, its a Committee inquiring ito housing affordability, and it it ignores half of the issues and factors it will have half the credibility - especially if those fctors are regularly raised in evidence.

The crucial role of transport availability and costs has been brought up by a number of witnesses already, as have the impact of federal taxes and grants on demand and the fact that affordability is currently a far bigger problem in private rental than it is in home purchasing. If the final report refuses to acknowledge or discuss these things, it will just be another weapon for people to use to butress their political talking points. If it goes further and takes on board all the issues and evidence then it will start to move towards being a useful contributor to informed debate on policy solutions and better understandings of the issue. (if we also have a government who pays attention to such things, then we could really on to something, but that outside the Senate&#039;s immediate scope)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 Tanners &#8211; anyone can put in a written submission. I can forward things from other people, but its a bit better for them to come direct &#8211; it prevents anyone wrongly assuming I specifically endorse what I&#8217;m forwarding (or that they endorse me for that matter).  </p>
<p>This link &#8211; <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/index.htm</a> &#8211; tells you all you need to know. (the date for submissions has technically closed, but they will almost always accept late submissions for some time yet).</p>
<p>Apart from being available for all the Committee members (and the Secretariat staff, who unlike all the Senators can be relied on to read it), submissions also go online, so anyone else can read them too &#8211; all the submissions so far <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/submissions/sublist.htm" rel="nofollow">are here</a>, and transcripts of hearings appear within a few days <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/hsaf_ctte/hearings/index.htm" rel="nofollow">at this link</a> &#8211; there is good value material amongst it (like everyhting, you have to wade through some dross along the way &#8211; bit like a blog really).</p>
<p>harmless cud chewer: As noted, the terms of reference are not as complete as they could be. Part of why I don&#8217;t always get too fussed over terms of reference is that you can never put everything in, and even if you try, if the people with the numbers on the Committee have a pre-determined view, they&#8217;ll still come to it anyway. At the end of it, its a Committee inquiring ito housing affordability, and it it ignores half of the issues and factors it will have half the credibility &#8211; especially if those fctors are regularly raised in evidence.</p>
<p>The crucial role of transport availability and costs has been brought up by a number of witnesses already, as have the impact of federal taxes and grants on demand and the fact that affordability is currently a far bigger problem in private rental than it is in home purchasing. If the final report refuses to acknowledge or discuss these things, it will just be another weapon for people to use to butress their political talking points. If it goes further and takes on board all the issues and evidence then it will start to move towards being a useful contributor to informed debate on policy solutions and better understandings of the issue. (if we also have a government who pays attention to such things, then we could really on to something, but that outside the Senate&#8217;s immediate scope)</p>
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