Comments on: State of the Polls – Old School http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/ Politics, elections and piffle plinking Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:57:26 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Thomarse http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10778 Thomarse Fri, 09 May 2008 00:51:47 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10778 #10 [This made me feel proud to be an Australian after all those years of shame and cringing.] Me too! #10
[This made me feel proud to be an Australian after all those years of shame and cringing.]

Me too!

]]> By: Possum Comitatus http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10777 Possum Comitatus Fri, 09 May 2008 00:38:33 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10777 MM - it makes you wonder! MM – it makes you wonder!

]]> By: Possum Comitatus http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10776 Possum Comitatus Fri, 09 May 2008 00:37:54 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10776 Trixibelle - the remaining Coalition voters seem to be "the base", those people that for whatever reason, would probably never vote for Labor over the Coalition. A lot of them are in the 55+ age bracket (about half), and a good chunk of them are rural voters. I'll have a post up later today called "Nelson The Future Eater:Dining on the base vote A La Carte" that goes into some of this and looks quite bleak for the Coalition. Previous conservative collapses were mostly driven by party conflicts rather than anything the voters really thought - so what's happening now (and has been for the last few years at the State level) is a pretty unique thing in the general history stakes. Trixibelle – the remaining Coalition voters seem to be “the base”, those people that for whatever reason, would probably never vote for Labor over the Coalition. A lot of them are in the 55+ age bracket (about half), and a good chunk of them are rural voters. I’ll have a post up later today called “Nelson The Future Eater:Dining on the base vote A La Carte” that goes into some of this and looks quite bleak for the Coalition.

Previous conservative collapses were mostly driven by party conflicts rather than anything the voters really thought – so what’s happening now (and has been for the last few years at the State level) is a pretty unique thing in the general history stakes.

]]> By: David Richards http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10774 David Richards Thu, 08 May 2008 01:01:19 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10774 In light of Nightwatchman's recent comments on inflation, and Rudd's invocation of the Ostrich metaphor - perhaps a new moniker for Brendo could be Edna (as in Edna Sand). As far as the name for a Phoenix-like nonLabor party rising from the ashes of the obliterated coalition goes - the BCA Party?, The Demonic Lawyers Party?, The Bible and Ultra-Right Party (BURP)? In light of Nightwatchman’s recent comments on inflation, and Rudd’s invocation of the Ostrich metaphor – perhaps a new moniker for Brendo could be Edna (as in Edna Sand). As far as the name for a Phoenix-like nonLabor party rising from the ashes of the obliterated coalition goes – the BCA Party?, The Demonic Lawyers Party?, The Bible and Ultra-Right Party (BURP)?

]]> By: marrickville mauler http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10773 marrickville mauler Thu, 08 May 2008 00:28:03 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10773 Anyone else think that "are you satisfied with Nelson's performance" this year might have similarities to "is Australia moving in the right direction" last year? Other than his dreadful effort on apology day I'd certainly answer yes if asked am I satisfied with Dr Nelson's performance, precisely because I want to see Labor in power for a long time. In a couple of years time I might be able to adopt a principled position of wanting to see a strong Federal opposition for the sake of accountability and all that, but for now I'm just enjoying the show. (Different at State level of course particular NSW where the lack of a decent opposition does seem to be making a bad government worse.) Anyone else think that “are you satisfied with Nelson’s performance” this year might have similarities to “is Australia moving in the right direction” last year? Other than his dreadful effort on apology day I’d certainly answer yes if asked am I satisfied with Dr Nelson’s performance, precisely because I want to see Labor in power for a long time. In a couple of years time I might be able to adopt a principled position of wanting to see a strong Federal opposition for the sake of accountability and all that, but for now I’m just enjoying the show. (Different at State level of course particular NSW where the lack of a decent opposition does seem to be making a bad government worse.)

]]> By: Andos http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10772 Andos Wed, 07 May 2008 23:49:02 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10772 Trixibelle: instead of 'rusted on Liberals', how about 'anyone but Labor'? Trixibelle: instead of ‘rusted on Liberals’, how about ‘anyone but Labor’?

]]> By: Trixibelle http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10770 Trixibelle Wed, 07 May 2008 12:58:43 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10770 Woops, the apology was in February, of course. Woops, the apology was in February, of course.

]]> By: Trixibelle http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10769 Trixibelle Wed, 07 May 2008 12:55:32 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10769 I've enjoyed the graphs too, and I realise that the main point of it all is that the Libs are in deep, record-breaking trouble. Nevertheless, I just can't help but wonder why a third of voters still say they would give this rabble their first prefernce. Who are these people? Seriously, who are they? Are they truly the "rusted-ons"? Are they the old Menzies generation? Will they stick with the Libs through thick and thin, or could this support collapse, if a messiah does not appear soon? Possum, do you know how the previous conservative incarnations collapsed, especially the UAP? By the way Thomarse, I met someone from Switzerland recently who told me that one night in March after the news, the apology was suddenly announced and shown live on Swiss TV. He was most impressed. This made me feel proud to be an Australian after all those years of shame and cringing. I’ve enjoyed the graphs too, and I realise that the main point of it all is that the Libs are in deep, record-breaking trouble. Nevertheless, I just can’t help but wonder why a third of voters still say they would give this rabble their first prefernce. Who are these people? Seriously, who are they? Are they truly the “rusted-ons”? Are they the old Menzies generation? Will they stick with the Libs through thick and thin, or could this support collapse, if a messiah does not appear soon? Possum, do you know how the previous conservative incarnations collapsed, especially the UAP?

By the way Thomarse, I met someone from Switzerland recently who told me that one night in March after the news, the apology was suddenly announced and shown live on Swiss TV. He was most impressed. This made me feel proud to be an Australian after all those years of shame and cringing.

]]> By: clarencegirl http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10767 clarencegirl Tue, 06 May 2008 23:08:26 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10767 Great to see the graphs making a comeback - I was going through number plotting withdrawals! Great to see the graphs making a comeback – I was going through number plotting withdrawals!

]]> By: Thomarse http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/state-of-the-polls-%e2%80%93-old-school/#comment-10762 Thomarse Mon, 05 May 2008 07:50:15 +0000 http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/?p=624#comment-10762 Grace I can offer some anecdotal support for that. I had brought my 12" TV into the shop that day, Rudd just started speaking when a customer came in, young guy. Anyway, I invited him to watch the apology and we stood there for the 30 minutes of Rudd's speech. Later that day I mentioned the apology to another customer, a Lib voter who had not thought much about making the apology but he nevertheless told me he had been moved and impressed. Grace I can offer some anecdotal support for that.

I had brought my 12″ TV into the shop that day, Rudd just started speaking when a customer came in, young guy. Anyway, I invited him to watch the apology and we stood there for the 30 minutes of Rudd’s speech.

Later that day I mentioned the apology to another customer, a Lib voter who had not thought much about making the apology but he nevertheless told me he had been moved and impressed.

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