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		<title>By: Andos</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/nelsons-tarago-too-far/#comment-11053</link>
		<dc:creator>Andos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The details in this article were just quoted in Parliament in a second reading speech on the Appropriation Bill number 1 08-09, in terms of Nelson&#039;s so called &#039;Tarago Tax&#039;, by Mark Butler, the member for Port Adelaide.

Go Possum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The details in this article were just quoted in Parliament in a second reading speech on the Appropriation Bill number 1 08-09, in terms of Nelson&#8217;s so called &#8216;Tarago Tax&#8217;, by Mark Butler, the member for Port Adelaide.</p>
<p>Go Possum!</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
		<link>http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/nelsons-tarago-too-far/#comment-11049</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/25/2254892.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Petrol will always be cheaper under a coalition government&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Sometimes i really have no idea what they are thinking. We&#039;ll give you a 5 cent cut, but we&#039;ll do nothing extra to address the underlying cause of the higher prices or try to move away from oil dependence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/25/2254892.htm" rel="nofollow"><i>Petrol will always be cheaper under a coalition government</i></a></p>
<p>Sometimes i really have no idea what they are thinking. We&#8217;ll give you a 5 cent cut, but we&#8217;ll do nothing extra to address the underlying cause of the higher prices or try to move away from oil dependence.</p>
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		<title>By: Aspirational Aspirationalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aspirational Aspirationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw this on lateline (story &quot;Turnbull&#039;s endorsement of fuel policy half-hearted&quot; - 22/5/08)recently, and i have to tip my hat to the second journalist.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
KIRRIN MCKECHNIE: Next, the other question he was dreading: would he rule out a leadership challenge?

MALCOLM TURNBULL: This is the inevitable question and the inevitable answer and the inevitable answer is I don&#039;t comment on the leadership other than to say we have a leader, his name is Brendan Nelson and he has all of our support.

KIRRIN MCKECHNIE: So journalists tried it another way.

RILEY, JOURNALIST: Perhaps I&#039;ll go to a question of your former life as a merchant banker. With Nelson futures at 17 per cent and the Liberal Party at 41, at what point does a Party look at perhaps a hostile takeover?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw this on lateline (story &#8220;Turnbull&#8217;s endorsement of fuel policy half-hearted&#8221; &#8211; 22/5/08)recently, and i have to tip my hat to the second journalist.</p>
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KIRRIN MCKECHNIE: Next, the other question he was dreading: would he rule out a leadership challenge?</p>
<p>MALCOLM TURNBULL: This is the inevitable question and the inevitable answer and the inevitable answer is I don&#8217;t comment on the leadership other than to say we have a leader, his name is Brendan Nelson and he has all of our support.</p>
<p>KIRRIN MCKECHNIE: So journalists tried it another way.</p>
<p>RILEY, JOURNALIST: Perhaps I&#8217;ll go to a question of your former life as a merchant banker. With Nelson futures at 17 per cent and the Liberal Party at 41, at what point does a Party look at perhaps a hostile takeover?
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		<title>By: Xercius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xercius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrespective, it&#039;s still a pernicious and stupid tax.  Where&#039;s the Audimers Piguet tax, or the Richard Mille tax (even a basic Richard Mille watch will set you back about 100,000-00 euros, and all it does it tell the time just like a $1,000-00 Seiko will . . . very pretty though), or the Hatteras 100 tax, or the Case of Grange tax?

Another of my &#039;objections&#039; is the application of the term &#039;luxury&#039;.  A Lotus Exige Sport 240 (list price $149,990-00) is certainly an expensive vehicle.  But, is it a luxury vehicle?  Most people (unless they are saddo, long-term motor sport enthuiasts / competitors like me who are happy to drive around in what is essentially a race car with number plates), if compelled to drive a vehicle like that (or any number of Ferraris) would kill to get out of them.  They&#039;re noisy, cramped, harsh riding, demanding, difficult to drive &#039;monsters&#039; . . . hardly &#039;luxury&#039; (for the Lotus, carpet is an option).  Now, a Bently Continental GT or a Maybach . . . that&#039;s a totally different proposition.  

Thing is, too, I know plenty of people for whom their Lotus / Ferrari / Porsche / Maserlamborini is their only major asset.  They&#039;ve rejected the &#039;whole house ownership in the burbs&#039; thing in order to buy what is -- for them -- essentially a fine piece of sporting equipment.  It&#039;s no luxury living on Vegemite sandwiches day to day so that you can afford to run the car at the next Ferrari Club track day.  Gee, even a Subaru WRX Sti or Lancer Evo 10 cops LCT.  Luxury cars?  Try driving one between Sydney and Brisbane and see.

When the LCT first arrived on the scene back in 1980-something, the thereshold was about $28,000-00.  That was close enough to Porsche money back then and would almost have bagged you two and a bit top-model Commodores.  $57, whatever - 00 now gets you one VE SS Commodore and an invitation to the release of the new HSV.  It does get you a Tarago, a Territory, possibly an FG Falcon Ghia but little else. True, it might get you almost three frugal tin and plastic boxes, built somewhere in Asia and bereft of much in the way of sparkling dynamics and actual quality . . . but they&#039;re not really cars anyway: they&#039;re fridges (or some other appliance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrespective, it&#8217;s still a pernicious and stupid tax.  Where&#8217;s the Audimers Piguet tax, or the Richard Mille tax (even a basic Richard Mille watch will set you back about 100,000-00 euros, and all it does it tell the time just like a $1,000-00 Seiko will . . . very pretty though), or the Hatteras 100 tax, or the Case of Grange tax?</p>
<p>Another of my &#8216;objections&#8217; is the application of the term &#8216;luxury&#8217;.  A Lotus Exige Sport 240 (list price $149,990-00) is certainly an expensive vehicle.  But, is it a luxury vehicle?  Most people (unless they are saddo, long-term motor sport enthuiasts / competitors like me who are happy to drive around in what is essentially a race car with number plates), if compelled to drive a vehicle like that (or any number of Ferraris) would kill to get out of them.  They&#8217;re noisy, cramped, harsh riding, demanding, difficult to drive &#8216;monsters&#8217; . . . hardly &#8216;luxury&#8217; (for the Lotus, carpet is an option).  Now, a Bently Continental GT or a Maybach . . . that&#8217;s a totally different proposition.  </p>
<p>Thing is, too, I know plenty of people for whom their Lotus / Ferrari / Porsche / Maserlamborini is their only major asset.  They&#8217;ve rejected the &#8216;whole house ownership in the burbs&#8217; thing in order to buy what is &#8212; for them &#8212; essentially a fine piece of sporting equipment.  It&#8217;s no luxury living on Vegemite sandwiches day to day so that you can afford to run the car at the next Ferrari Club track day.  Gee, even a Subaru WRX Sti or Lancer Evo 10 cops LCT.  Luxury cars?  Try driving one between Sydney and Brisbane and see.</p>
<p>When the LCT first arrived on the scene back in 1980-something, the thereshold was about $28,000-00.  That was close enough to Porsche money back then and would almost have bagged you two and a bit top-model Commodores.  $57, whatever &#8211; 00 now gets you one VE SS Commodore and an invitation to the release of the new HSV.  It does get you a Tarago, a Territory, possibly an FG Falcon Ghia but little else. True, it might get you almost three frugal tin and plastic boxes, built somewhere in Asia and bereft of much in the way of sparkling dynamics and actual quality . . . but they&#8217;re not really cars anyway: they&#8217;re fridges (or some other appliance).</p>
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		<title>By: onimod</title>
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		<dc:creator>onimod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;Tarago Tax&#039; got another run up the flagpole at the Press Club today - Mister Allbull was responsible.
i guess we know who&#039;s blog he doesn&#039;t read then...
i think at one stage he suggested that a Tarago shouldn&#039;t be subject to luxury car tax because it&#039;s not that luxurious to ride in.
Riiiiiight.
Potential Treasurer eh?
Weekend lifestyle section of a major paper seems more appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;Tarago Tax&#8217; got another run up the flagpole at the Press Club today &#8211; Mister Allbull was responsible.<br />
i guess we know who&#8217;s blog he doesn&#8217;t read then&#8230;<br />
i think at one stage he suggested that a Tarago shouldn&#8217;t be subject to luxury car tax because it&#8217;s not that luxurious to ride in.<br />
Riiiiiight.<br />
Potential Treasurer eh?<br />
Weekend lifestyle section of a major paper seems more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some back of the envelope research this morning on the 5 cent rebate - a barrel of oil is 159 litres.  Today the price of a barrel of oil is US$127, which is US$.80 cents a litre.  [AU$ is almost at parity at $.96 cents today]

The so called rebate would be swallowed up in about 6 weeks if the oil price continues to rise at the same rate it has done for the first 4 months of this year, and if the petrol companies decide not to profiteer, which would be somewhat unlikely.  6 weeks.

What a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some back of the envelope research this morning on the 5 cent rebate &#8211; a barrel of oil is 159 litres.  Today the price of a barrel of oil is US$127, which is US$.80 cents a litre.  [AU$ is almost at parity at $.96 cents today]</p>
<p>The so called rebate would be swallowed up in about 6 weeks if the oil price continues to rise at the same rate it has done for the first 4 months of this year, and if the petrol companies decide not to profiteer, which would be somewhat unlikely.  6 weeks.</p>
<p>What a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Intellectual Bogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Intellectual Bogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite apart from the dubious logic of making fossil fuel energy cheaper, if a governmet wants to ease the fuel price burden on the battler there are cheaper ways to do it.

Spend a small handful of millions on an ad campaign giving punters tips on driving economically.  Those who really want to spend less on fuel then have the information to do so voluntarily and those who don&#039;t can continue contributing to revenue.

Seriously, most people, with a few fairly minor changes to their driving habits, would be able to drop their fuel bills by 10% (or more with a bit of effort) with no detectable change to their journey times.  A far bigger saving than any government initiative can offer, without the substantial cost to the public purse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite apart from the dubious logic of making fossil fuel energy cheaper, if a governmet wants to ease the fuel price burden on the battler there are cheaper ways to do it.</p>
<p>Spend a small handful of millions on an ad campaign giving punters tips on driving economically.  Those who really want to spend less on fuel then have the information to do so voluntarily and those who don&#8217;t can continue contributing to revenue.</p>
<p>Seriously, most people, with a few fairly minor changes to their driving habits, would be able to drop their fuel bills by 10% (or more with a bit of effort) with no detectable change to their journey times.  A far bigger saving than any government initiative can offer, without the substantial cost to the public purse.</p>
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		<title>By: Droo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Droo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the 5.5c petrol excise represents about 3.6% of the price of petrol. Given that petrol is only one component of the price of most goods the potential saving to hosueholds on their food etc spending is minimal at best. If petrol costs represent as much as 20% of the cost of an item (and I think that&#039;s way too high) you are still only saving .7% of the cost. Useless I reckon. On fuel purchasing the saving is obviously greater but if you buy 70 litres of fuel a week you still are only saving $3.50 a week. It might mount up over a year but its pretty paltry at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the 5.5c petrol excise represents about 3.6% of the price of petrol. Given that petrol is only one component of the price of most goods the potential saving to hosueholds on their food etc spending is minimal at best. If petrol costs represent as much as 20% of the cost of an item (and I think that&#8217;s way too high) you are still only saving .7% of the cost. Useless I reckon. On fuel purchasing the saving is obviously greater but if you buy 70 litres of fuel a week you still are only saving $3.50 a week. It might mount up over a year but its pretty paltry at best.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seen the current crop of oil companies&#039; profits?
Absolute record profits for several of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen the current crop of oil companies&#8217; profits?<br />
Absolute record profits for several of them.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the stats, Tarago drivers need to be shot..... slow bastards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the stats, Tarago drivers need to be shot&#8230;.. slow bastards</p>
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